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Thursday, 21 July 2016

Why I Don't Believe Height Preferences Are Purely Instinctive

Let me preface this with a disclaimer: even if nobody on Earth preferred short men, that’s technically allowed and within anyone’s choice (this is just hypothetical – a few women actually do prefer short men). However, the many reasons people use to explain why short men are so disliked are questionable to me, so I’m going to break this down.

Evolutionary psychology is usually the main reason people use to explain height preferences, so first I must question whether or not most women pick a 7 feet tall guy over a 6 feet tall one. I know some girls would, but if I had to bet on it, I believe most would pick the 6 foot one. If taller is simply better, why does the ideal height for men seem to cut off at a certain point? One could claim there simply aren’t enough 7 feet tall men around, but even when women could date these tall guys online, men around 7’0 tall statistically do worse than guys around 6’0. Even in fantasies where a woman could dream of anyone, I doubt these dream guys are usually 7 feet tall. It’d be interesting to know if most romance novels, even ones set in magical settings, have a giant male lead. Somehow I doubt it, but again, (biologically) what’s the problem with a super tall guy over a regular tall guy? How can one be “too tall” in a caveman setting?

Also, I don’t believe most lesbian or bisexual women require a fellow woman to be tall, so I also find this interesting. It’s not the height itself that’s attractive, it’s when it’s tied to a male. It’s not purely about sexual dimorphism either, because body hair, a big nose, baldness, etc. are typically male traits, yet they are not preferred. If human nature actually wanted to seek out “superior DNA,” both women and men would prefer tall people, thus eventually eliminating shortness from the gene pool. The only reason short men even exist in abundance is because of short women. Short men would also not live longer on average if the short gene was so terrible. Excerpt from the study: “The folks that were 5-2 and shorter lived the longest. The range was seen all the way across from being 5-foot tall to 6-foot tall. The taller you got, the shorter you lived.” Why would “superior tall DNA” literally die off sooner?

Speaking of biology, I’ve seen studies done on tribal cultures, and none of them care about height as much as modern society. When confronted with this, most people pass it off with something like, “these tribes are just so weird/few that they don’t count.” I’d actually agree, but not in the way most people think, which is usually “only a crazy person wouldn’t think tallness is amazing.” See, our society labels assertive/ambitious short men as having “short man syndrome” or a “Napoleon Complex.” When it comes to some random tribe, they would have no idea what those labels even are. Simply from something like that, the social status of short men is improved. For another example, natives had no hierarchy for their totem poles, yet English speakers say “bottom of the totem pole” in a derogatory way, showing how differently cultures can view the same thing. All in all, this whole evo psych thing is ironic since these tribes actually have to hunt, yet they care less about height than modern day Darwinists who sit around all day. Also keep in mind how just because many people do something, doesn’t mean it’s natural. Humans are the only ones who regularly milk a different species then drink it, for example. There's also this page I found about differing height preferences by country:
“In general, a small man is twice as likely to be preferred by a women outside the United States as within. There are two possibilities. First, people in the Unites States are more superficial than in other countries. Second, women in the United States are taller and so prefer taller men... Except for the Philippines, Indonesia and Thailand, there does not appear to be a significant correlation between women's height in a country and their preference for a tall man.”
Country 5' 4" man % in
Preference
Median Woman's
Height
Caribbean
8%
65
United States
11%
65
Hong Kong
13%
63
Canada
13%
65
England
14%
65
Japan
15%
64
Germany
17%
66
Brazil
17%
65
China
19%
64
Russia
22%
65
Australia
22%
66
France
23%
66
Philippines
25%
62
Indonesia
29%
64
Thailand
40%
63

Biologically, why would women in Russia or France care less about height? One could even see this in how France has recently elected short presidents, but America has not. At this juncture, I would love to make some point about the Anglosphere and how we can trace this back to the days of spreading propaganda about Napoleon’s height. I would even point out the English language’s views on short people (vertically challenged, head and shoulders above, man of his stature, etc.), or talk about colonization/westernization, but Australian women also apparently care less about height, so who the hell knows here. I would still firmly reiterate the point I made earlier about other cultures: no matter how biased they are about height, they do not label short men with syndromes and complexes.

On a different note, social status is also important: “a 2010 study found that men pictured with a Silver Bentley Continental GT were perceived as way more attractive than those pictures with a Red Ford Fiesta ST, and a 2014 study found that men pictured in a luxury apartment were rated more attractive than those in a control group. - Source

Here's a video from some neuroscientists about how women value popularity. Quote:
"And women respond to other women's opinion of a guy. The more women that are attracted to a man increases the attraction of that man. So the phrase, "The best men are always taken," is doubly true. If a man is taken by definition he's more attractive and appealing; if a man's alone and isolated and solitary and nobody's interested in him that will reduce his appeal just by virtue of not being taken."
In fact, one sizable study found 90 percent of single women were interested in a man who they believed was taken, while a mere 59 percent wanted him when told he was single.

There’s a reason why famous short men suddenly seem more attractive. Sure, many of them are conventionally attractive in terms of face or physique, but if these famous guys were random short men on the street, would their own fangirls still love them? Maybe. Personally, I believe famous short men are attractive in the same way an expensive brand is, and of course tall men start off with more positive social status. It’s the same reason why many women “just happen” to prefer Caucasian men (at least that’s what both OK Cupid and Facebook stats found). If there was some alternate reality where black guys or whatever had the same social status, all of a sudden many women would be born with a “natural” preference for black men. I found some interesting talk about this here.

I've seen people actually get offended by the idea that social status can make a man seem more attractive to women, so think of it this way: if two guys were the same in looks but one was a prince while the other a commoner, who would seem more enticing? If height is such a strong biological rule like everyone believes, a popular short actor or musician should lose to a random tall guy at the bar or club, but I think we know who would have the upper hand there. Of course, a tall famous star has status upon status: money/fame along with height.

This is also why we sometimes see women who are okay with sleeping with a short man, but will not be seen dating him publicly, like here. Countless times I’ve seen girls talking about being embarrassed to date a short guy they like (emphasis on how they already like this short guy). It reminds me of videos I’ve seen where non-Asian women talked about dating Asian men. They said people would mockingly ask them things like, “so you like small dicks, huh?” All of this negative attention would annoy these girls so much that they started to question dating these guys. This is literally women admitting how peer pressure influences who they date. This one study claims: "Results from the online survey indicate that women wanted tall men for a variety of reasons, but most of the explanations of our respondents were connected to societal expectations or gender stereotypes."

When it comes to how Asian men and black women are rated more poorly in dating, people have been conditioned to be politically correct about it. Instead of claiming “that’s just the way it is” or “we like what we like,” people blame media portrayals, stereotypes, etc. Considering how often short men are portrayed as losers, sidekicks, villains, and buffoons in the media, while tall men are the badasses and heroes, it’d be preposterous if that didn’t affect how attractive short men seem. In this video at the 9:09 mark, a woman literally says “You want to look up into his eyes. You want it to be like a movie." To this day, people underestimate how much fiction warps expectations.

I’ve already written too much on this, so I’ll end by saying that if society’s height preference started off naturally, society has egged it on to unnatural levels. If height preferences/requirements operated even on an 80/20 ratio, I’d be less suspicious about it. Once it becomes more one-sided, especially varying by country, is that not a clear sign culture has something to do with it?

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